Amanda responded to my protesting comment on her blog (which she did not publish and probably deleted) here.
I answered half of her posting up to the biblical exegesis part. Amanda in italics:
Thank you for the opportunity Amanda.
I prayed for you and that God would somehow allow you to see that what I am writing is not in anger or hate as you want to believe but in love and deep concern.
Thank you. I am not angry either. I just feel a sense of injustice to post to a blog that allows comments, on a topic that has been posted, and then have my comments deleted and have ad hominem remarks (troll) thrown at me. It seems that if comments are allowed, all comments should be welcome as long as they are on topic and reasonable.
I fear no matter how loving I try to be with you, you will simply take your failure to convince me of your position and blast my character as you have to others.
Actually, I am very open to allowing opposing points of view. I very rarely ban or delete comments unless they contain off topic or ad hominem remarks. I do not blast Candy for not agreeing with Catholicism. Rather I object to the improper and unfair way she goes about it.
You may want to dishonor Candy or myself, but you do not realize you are in fact blessing us!
Well thank you and I agree. I always feel that when someone takes the time to comment on my blog, even if they disagree, that it is a honor that they took the time and trouble!
Jesus tells His followers in Matthew 5:11-12 “Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Interestingly, I used that same verse on my blog in regard to the persecution perpetrated by Candy on Catholics.
So you see, the harder you try to fling dirt to muddy our names, the more you are having the opposite effect where it really matters.
I am trying neither. I am just asking for the opportunity on your blog and Candy’s to correct misconceptions, and to register civil and respectful disagreement.
I have to say you have an absolutely beautiful family! I wonder how you can spend so much time attacking other people when you very obviously have much more important things to occupy your time.
The ole, “how can you spend so much time on the computer” from someone else that spends – er… time on the computer.
Well, it helps that I type over 100 wpm. It also helps that I have cable. Couple that with the fact that I am pretty computer savy, and you have the fact that I can jump in, and make my point rather quickly.
God knows the number of our days, of our MINUTES! Why are you wasting them?
I think that’s very subjecive.
for seemingly the only purpose of fueling your hatred of her, then accusing her of that hatred.
I don’t hate anyone. I do strongly dislike injustice (which is very biblical) and I think the way Candy has handled Catholics in particular is very injust. Therefore I find it to be important work to shine a light on it in any way that I am able.
You say you should be given greater merit for you age, but Elena, your age is not lending you any credit.
Actually that doesn’t matter. I’m still young enough to have older women over me, and I defer to their opinions and listen and consider their perspectives even if I disagree with them. They may tell me to slather oil on the baby and put her out in the sun, and I will still smile and thank them for caring. Doesn’t mean I have to do it. It does mean I should respect them because of their age and wisdom. My interpretation of Titus 2 is that the younger women have to have a teachable spirit. That is the onus that is upon you.
Going to other people’s blogs to fuel your bitterness is hardly holy behaviour. And you spew false accusations!
I disagree. Having the courage to speak out against injustice is proper behavior for a Titus II women. You feel that Candy deserves a thinking award. I disagree and I told you why. My opinion is not a “false accusation” simply because you disagree with it. Of course when you deleted it and then accused me publicly (without recourse and not in private which is very unscriptural) that does rather slant the argument doesn’t it Amanda.
If you were willing to read her writings with an honest heart, not all puffed up with pride that you are “right” you would see that.
I read her writing with a scholar’s eyes after years of studying this stuff. It is not pride but rather scholarship that makes Candy’s tracts fall short.
Even if she is wrong (and if she is, so is the Bible), she is certainly not acting in anything resembling hate!
Well that’s your opinion. As someone on the receiving end of things, it certainly feels like hatred.
If we were on a boat together Elana. And I knew it was sinking. If I tried to convince you of the danger how is that hating you?
Of course that would depend on if your argument held water (pun intended haha!!) If I found flaws in your argumentation or if I did not find your evidence compelling or convincing and then you just quit allowing me to speak, I find that hateful.
If perchance I was mistaken and the boat’s integrity was indeed intact, that would not make my attempts to alert you any less compassionate.
Oh I have no doubt that your heart is in the right place. And I give you both the benefit of a doubt for that. What I am telling you is that your methods are ineffective and deficient.
So regardless of which of you is “right” on Catholicism, the fact remains that calling Candy a hatemonger is a false accusation.
I didn’t call her a hate monger. I called her a bigot. Definition of a bigot:
A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own.
Her own web site and actions fit this definition.
And if you wanted me to consider your cause, sending me a comment full of bitterness and spite is NOT the way to go about it!
It was neither. I was objecting to how a thinking award could go to a person who deletes challenges instead of confronting them. I still don’t see how that can be, but that is my opinion.
If you want me to consider you as a godly older woman, you will have to act like a godly older woman!
You need to dig into my archives Amanda. I have a lot of trouble with the Titus II command. I think it’s like draining a lake with a teaspoon. In fact I have come to the conclusion that that command was given more for the character and humility of the older woman than for the benefit of the younger one.
She responded with this.
To which I responded:
My apologies Amanda. I mistakenly assumed when you wrote that post that wanted to dialogue. I did not understand that you merely meant for me to read your post and accept your apologetics. My bad.
Moving on…
My friend Cecily featured the Ban on Partial Birth Abortion on her blog this week.
Jeff Culbreath gives a very good response in the thread here.
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